Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. I cannot get over what he did. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. Wow, you are really reaching here. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. Stranglehold Theory. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Its definately not most. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. I just dont get it. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! She strangled them.. This guy had some sort of mental problem. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. Thats contained in her autopsy report. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? He is a monster. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. I was writing in a passion. At least I would have. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. For nothing. Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Thanks! Did anyone explain that? And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Therefore your theory is not valid. I wouldnt throw that out the window. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Pee and Poo Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. They were out of town and it was still spotless. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. Good point! At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. They are finger prints from his hands. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? I think he killed the girls at the worksite. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. How was she about her childrens allergies? The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. Im a survivor. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. She also wanted to make her marriage work. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. And then it was turned off. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. Youre obviously trolling! People with OCD have rituals. And so on. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. So what are you saying? Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. Neither of them passed any body fluids. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. What are the odds???? I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Makes me so sick. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. I didnt know what else to do. Have they watched something? Colorado is very rural. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Bellas stomach contained 75 milliliters of green-black fluid, the report states, which was most likely from the oil tank she was placed inside. It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. So completely terrible. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. Not as bright. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. Maybe he lost patience with her. Said it was part of the decomposition process. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the You know theres plenty of that right? I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. I am shocked shes not been charged too. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Good to have a former forensic detective around. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? Its more likely the complete opposite. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. Esophagus: .. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. And that she looked at him as she died. He found her phone between the cushions. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. You can see it in his eyes. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? stop, stop. . Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Advertisement. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. What about rigormortis? Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. They manipulate, connive and plot. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! Youre not Shanann Watts. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Ditto who died first and last. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. A tee-shirt and undies is a Sleeping Uniform for many women, another fact. 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